All In The Mind
ABC
Radio: ABC Classic FM
Categories: Health
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40 years ago, NASA experienced one of its most devastating disasters. The Challenger space shuttle disintegrated just 73 seconds after launch, killing all seven crew members. How had this happened? And did the culture of NASA have anything to do with it? In this episode, we dig into a concept called 'normalisation of deviance', which has been touted as an explanation for this incident, as well as the Costa Concordia cruise ship disaster and a clinical drug trial that left six people in intensive care. So what is 'normalisation of deviance'? How does it happen? And given its potential for harm, is there anything we can do to prevent it? If you enjoyed this episode, check out the latest season of Science Friction, The Challenger Disaster (which is also produced by our senior producer James Bullen!) Guests: Dr Nejc Sedlar Lecturer, University of Aberdeen Professor Sidney Dekker Professor, Griffith University Credits: Presenter: Sana Qadar Senior producer: James Bullen Additional reporting/production: Fiona Pepper Producer: Rose Kerr Sound engineer: Roi Huberman You can catch up on more episodes of the All in the Mind podcast with journalist and presenter Sana Qadar, exploring the psychology of topics like stress, memory, communication and relationships on ABC Listen or wherever you get your podcasts. More information: A qualitative systematic review on the application of the normalization of deviance phenomenon within high-risk industries. Sidney Dekker — Drift into Failure. Challenger: the disaster five people saw coming. The Challenger Legacy — Science Friction. Has NASA learned anything from the Challenger disaster? When to trust your gut instinct, and when to ignore it A deviation from standard design? Clinical trials, research ethics committees, and the regulatory co-construction of organizational deviance
Previous episodes
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1025 - Can 'normalisation of deviance' help to explain a catastrophe? Sun, 15 Feb 2026
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1024 - Got a question for Esther Perel? Fri, 13 Feb 2026
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1023 - The paradox of petty problems: Why small annoyances can snowball Sun, 08 Feb 2026
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1022 - Grief and guilt: losing a loved one to suicide Sun, 01 Feb 2026
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1021 - Driving me mad: why we get road rage Sun, 25 Jan 2026
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1020 - The cognitive distortions of a high achiever Sun, 18 Jan 2026
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1019 - Healing from self-hatred Sun, 11 Jan 2026
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1018 - The fight for focus in a world of distraction Sun, 04 Jan 2026
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1017 - Got the ick? Dating, disgust and evolutionary psychology Sun, 28 Dec 2025
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1016 - What to know about kids mental health Sun, 21 Dec 2025
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1014 - Difficult people and radical acceptance: answering your questions about tricky relationships Sun, 14 Dec 2025
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1013 - From prohibition to social media - what makes bans succeed ... or fail? Sun, 07 Dec 2025
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1011 - The music that saves us Sun, 30 Nov 2025
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1010 - If everything is traumatic, is anything traumatic? The power of labels Sun, 23 Nov 2025
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1009 - ‘What if I’m a paedophile?’ The intrusive thoughts that haunted Uma Sun, 16 Nov 2025
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1008 - Consumer behaviour and the quest for cool Sun, 09 Nov 2025
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1007 - Narcissist, or just a pain? How to deal with difficult people Sun, 02 Nov 2025
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1006 - How borderline personality disorder makes it harder to hold down a job Sun, 26 Oct 2025
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1005 - From school avoidance to food anxieties: navigating neurodiverse parenting Sun, 19 Oct 2025
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1004 - Brain Rot: Meet the people who ditched their smartphones Sun, 12 Oct 2025
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1003 - Brain Rot: Internet addiction Sun, 05 Oct 2025
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1002 - Brain Rot: What is tech doing to your memory? Sun, 28 Sep 2025
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1001 - Brain Rot: Will AI turn us off human relationships? Sun, 21 Sep 2025
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1000 - Brain Rot: Is your phone destroying your attention span? Sun, 14 Sep 2025
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999 - Why revenge feels good — and what it costs Sun, 07 Sep 2025
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998 - Task paralysis and procrastination - why it's so hard to get sh*t done Sun, 31 Aug 2025
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997 - Cruel intentions: how toxic tabloids and celebrity culture changed the way we talk about mental health Sun, 24 Aug 2025
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996 - Is clutter making you feel bad? Sun, 17 Aug 2025
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995 - Serial killers: answering your questions about how they think Sun, 10 Aug 2025
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994 - Depersonalisation — when nothing feels real Sun, 03 Aug 2025
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993 - Divination isn’t scientific, but can it ever be therapeutic? Sun, 27 Jul 2025
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992 - Where have all the serial killers gone? Sun, 20 Jul 2025
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991 - Kleptomania: when compulsive stealing takes over your life Sun, 13 Jul 2025
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990 - Pyromania vs revenge – why do people light fires? Sun, 06 Jul 2025
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989 - Munchausen by Proxy: when parents hurt their kids Fri, 27 Jun 2025
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988 - INTRODUCING — Criminal Psychology Mon, 23 Jun 2025
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987 - Chronically stressed? These small changes can help Sun, 22 Jun 2025
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986 - Loneliness — you're not alone, from Ladies, We Need To Talk Sun, 15 Jun 2025
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985 - The confusion about concussions Sun, 08 Jun 2025
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984 - Managing your emotions so they don't manage you Sun, 01 Jun 2025
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983 - Do people really behave differently in a crowd? Sun, 25 May 2025
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982 - Why do we love collecting? Sun, 18 May 2025
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981 - Outwardly impressive, losing it on the inside? The cognitive distortions of a high achiever Sun, 11 May 2025
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980 - Ads, sports and games: how gambling infiltrated Australian culture Sun, 04 May 2025
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979 - A different kind of grief — what true crime pods often overlook Sun, 27 Apr 2025
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978 - Love us? Hate us? Take our short audience survey and tell us! Wed, 23 Apr 2025
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977 - The silicon shrink – the worrying side of AI in mental health Sun, 20 Apr 2025
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976 - Dissecting the brain - live at the World Science Festival Brisbane Sun, 13 Apr 2025
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975 - How the housing crisis is warping people's view of the future Sun, 06 Apr 2025
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974 - Fighting for focus in the age of distraction Sun, 30 Mar 2025