Kenty: The Paul Kent NRL Podcast

00:01 G'day and welcome to Kenny Blitz, your daily hit of NRL News. And, Kenny, yesterday we talked a little bit about the media cop. No one else needs to be talking about it. Surprised? 00:10 Oh, a little bit. Look, Andrew Epps wrote about it in The Australian. Not that many people read The Australian, but certainly not rugby league. It's not a rugby league audience in Australia. But he wrote about it. Yeah, look, I'm not surprised, but I was. Look, Malcolm Knox wrote a little bit in The Herald, actually, too, which I thought was interesting what he said. He said, basically... 00:32 He believes the new rule is there to stop conflict of interest and criticism. 00:39 And he said, but what you've got to be aware of is it's generally things like this are a Trojan horse for what they really want to do. Now, as the NRL has shown, as he said, they generally don't have a problem with conflict of interest. So while they're dressing it up at the moment as in all these people in media roles who have got conflicts of interest, What it's really doing is getting the Trojan horse in there to stop criticism of them. So unfortunately, we've got to live with it because other than, I suppose, go through the legal channels or get an action group or something like that, how do you stop it? 01:21 How do you get rid of this? 01:23 rule that they've brought in that without consultation, without really any concern for the rugby league community, they've just decided that they're going to do it. They've built it into the broadcast deal and off they go. 01:35 Well, watch with interest when the first person gets the rap across their knuckles, Kenti, because I think that'll be the Pandora's box once that happens. 01:42 Well, it's got to be, yeah. But Warren, that will depend on 01:50 On who it is. 01:51 On who it is. Less so than what is said, than who it is. 01:56 And what their role is in NRL or club lane, and what their role is on whatever media they choose to air their grievance, it will depend on that. And we know that. Let's be clear here. 02:13 I'm not wet behind the ears. I don't think for a minute that this is going to be... 02:19 Black and white, fair, unfair. It is just going to be a bit of a kangaroo court, to be fair. 02:26 So why have the rule in the first place? 02:27 Because it'll stop criticism. It gives an old school teacher walk around with a ruler wrapping you on the knuckles. It will modify behavior. And the sad part about it, it will modify behavior. And out of it, it will become the new normal. 02:44 And we'll be used to it. The game is much different now than when I first began to cover it. This is the new normal. 02:51 I get criticism sometimes from people who I can tell you, I reckon almost with complete certainty, I could tell you their age within the decade that they were born based on what their criticism is. Do you know what I mean? Because... 03:11 There's people older than me who blew about stuff that I used to think, that's not a problem, that's not a big deal. But I was younger then. I was more able to accept the change. 03:24 But now I've been through all these different interpretations of what the game is and how it looks and how it's played. 03:30 It's vastly different. And I'm getting older, so I'm pining for the way the game used to be. 03:36 But the new game, this is all they know. The young kids are 20 years old, this is all they know. Let's remember, we live in a world now where many West Tigers fans only know them as West Tigers. If you're under 30, you won't remember Western Suburbs or Balmain. 04:00 You just won't remember that. 04:02 So, look, it's the new normal that they're creating, and this is not just a rugby league thing, this happens the world over. 04:11 I saw a thing the other day, to be fair, an old author, and he was talking about the cowboys in the Americans, in America in the 1800s, and the cowboy era basically only went for 20 years, right? 04:31 And he said as they spread west to all this new frontier and what they loved about the cowboy, the whole mystique of the cowboy, he said as they were actually creating it, they were destroying it. 04:46 Because you said they were spreading west, yeah, and they were new frontiers, cowboys living the cowboy way. But just right behind them, everyone's coming in building fences around all the land, building townships. And so as they were spreading west to explore this new frontier and live the cowboy lifestyle, they were destroying it as they were creating it. And that's... 05:11 if you want to get really deep, that's probably what we're doing here in rugby league. Like, as we're creating all this new reality, we're destroying the old reality. 05:21 So, yeah, I'm just going to end up an old man screaming from a hilltop. 05:25 LAUGHTER 05:27 It's interesting as you get older, you realize, you know, you used to think your old man knew nothing. But now you look at what your old man said, it's starting to sound a bit like me. Anyway. 05:36 That's Mark Twain said. He said, when I was 14, he said, I thought the old man was so ignorant I couldn't stand having him around. He said, by the time I was 21, I was surprised how much he'd learned in seven years. 05:47 Very good. Very good. All right, Candy, let's just have a little shout out to your mate, Johnny Gibbs, who revealed yesterday that he had Hodgkin's lymphoma. 05:57 Yeah, just look, obviously, Gibbs, he's been around the game for a long, long time. He's been commentating on the game since the 80s. My first experience with Johnny Gibbs was the 78 kangaroo tour. I was only a kid in primary school, but he tore the hamstring in the final series in 78. They still picked him on the kangaroo tour, and I can't quite remember. I don't think he played a game on the tour. Yeah. because the heavy kept going on him. So anyway, but he had that really unusual running style. Back in the day when every player pulled their socks up, his were always down around his ankles, and he used to run with his head way back, sort of suck it in flies, basically. 06:36 So he was a bit of a – what was the word? Like a bit of a – like a celebrity-type player back then. Like, he was a bit of a standout, a bit of a... Just the way he looked. Yeah, he just played differently from other guys around him. Otherwise, he had school full. 06:52 So why was he such a well-known player at Manly? Why is he such a stalwart? Everyone always talks about Gibbsy at Manly. 06:57 Oh, because he was... Look, he was a very good halfback. 07:02 And back then, halfbacks were... 07:05 A lot of them were essentially ball runners. Like they played, it was a different game now. The game management sort of only started to come in right near the end of his career like we see now. 07:17 But he had speed off the mark. He had dash. He could hit a hole as a halfback dummy and go through the hole and he could take it the whole way, so to speak. And he was just a manly through and through and then worked in the media after that. Was very good at the media. He's been highly competent. in his rugby league courage for 30 odd years. Yeah, I'd say nearly 40 years. So everybody in rugby league knows who he is. Everyone likes him. So obviously we wish him our best with his battle. 07:49 Apparently he gets his treatment plan on Friday, so. 07:53 Good luck with all, Gibbsy. 07:54 Yeah, very good, Gibbsy. Speaking of halfbacks, old halfbacks, on the weekend, I stood next to Perry Haddock. Remember him? 08:00 Yeah, yeah. He makes you look like a giant. He's unbelievable. He's only this big. Well, that doesn't mean that it makes me look like a giant. 08:08 Perry Haddock, I think it was 5'1". What was the 5'1 he played at? He's tiny. But he was one of the smallest. Him and Chris Guider was the other one. The hooker, yeah. 08:17 Played every game in the 85 grand final. 08:20 Yeah, yeah. 08:20 Thirds, reserves, firsts. 08:22 Yeah, and he – yeah, Perry Haddock was a very good player. He came from up my way, actually, Perry Haddock. Played for Aaron, I think, as a junior. Okay. So, yeah, look – 08:31 Tiny. Couldn't believe it. Did you say good at him? Yeah, I did, yeah. He was actually trying to get in the club and the league's club and he was lining up. I said, mate, come around here. 08:37 I'll show you. 08:38 Take you to the back door. 08:39 Stick with me. 08:41 Anyway, let's move on to another halfback. Nico Hines is on the verge of a record. 32 consecutive goals. Good on Nico. 08:48 Good on him, yeah. 08:48 He's copped a barrage, you know, question marks all over the media. Some from here as well. 08:54 He's had a tough time. Look, I don't think it's been unrealistic. What's happened with Nico? He came and... Obviously, he couldn't fit in Melbourne anymore because he came through, showed some glimpses, but they already had their fullback situation sorted when he was playing fullback down there. Cronulla bought him, moved him to halfback, and he just won the Dallium. I think it was his first season at Cronulla. And from that moment on, everyone's had him earmarked. 09:23 He's had a couple of rough trots there. 09:28 throughout that or since then, but this year he's really kicked. And it's really great coaching from Craig Fitzgibbon. 09:36 What he's done, and it really shows you a coach who's just not repeating what he's heard elsewhere. And he's been able to sit back Craig Fitzgibbon and really understand the situation. If you look at the story today in the Herald, which I thought was quite interesting, where they compared his stats from 2022 to this season. 09:59 And they also put in Braden Trindle's stats. So things like line break assist, try assist, halfbacks kind of plays, playmaking kind of plays. 10:09 And Craig Fitzgibbon has very subtly... 10:14 shifted Nico from being the chief playmaker in the team to the secondary playmaker in the team behind Braden Trindle. 10:20 Kept the seven on his back to avoid everyone else noticing and making criticism of it and all the rest of it. 10:27 And Nico spoke a lot about, which I quite like too, he spoke a lot about how he is going out with a focus on his defense and really simple fundamentals of the game, the hard work stuff, get your defense right. And that was always Andrew Edinghausen's philosophy to the game. One of the most brilliant attacking players you've ever seen. But he said he started every game with a focus on getting his defense right because he said if his defense was right, he knew his attack would just come. 10:58 And he'd be in that good space. And Nico's going a similar route at the moment. So his focus is getting all the fundamentals right defensively, kicking like that. But again, Trindle's doing a lot of kicking as well. 11:13 But on the back of that... 11:15 Then he's been told just to run the ball. Nico earlier this year, for instance, when Cronulla weren't travelling that well, had this really bad habit. He'd just drift the cross field and just drop off someone underneath him, which was creating no threat at all to the defensive line. They were just watching him go, wait until he dropped the ball off, then hit whoever he picked up. So there was – and he was essentially just – it was just a – He's not a lazy player, but it was a lazy exercise. It was a lazy play. 11:45 Lack of thought. 11:46 Yeah, it was just basically phoning it in. Now that he's gone even more so into the secondary playmaking role, he's... 11:58 He's running more. 12:00 He's such a running threat at the moment. And with his running game, it's making him a threat. It's making Cronulla a threat. It's letting Trindle to do what he needs to do with everyone else. 12:09 And Cronulla just look at different teams. So Cronulla have gone from being a team six weeks ago, eight weeks ago, you thought, look, they're pretty much a... 12:20 bread and butter type team. They just go out and they do what they do. They win the games they should win. They don't win the games they shouldn't. They'll sit around four, five, six, somewhere like that, and they won't really threaten, but they won't be out of it either. But now they're starting to get themselves into that picture where they're a chance to do something if this continues. And the way the draw looks... They've got an easy draw home. So there's a real chance Cronulla can finish top two. I don't think they'll catch Penrith. They could, but I don't think they can. But if they sit second, they've got home advantage throughout the finals. 12:51 More than likely, we'll get the Warriors at home in that first final. 12:55 They don't play at Shark Park, though. They're playing at the Allianz. 12:59 Yeah, but if it's against the Warriors, they're not traveling to New Zealand, doesn't it? Yeah, true. So I know they play Allianz, but I just still think they'll have the WA fans. I'll tell you what, they travel, so they might not have the… Well, they all live here now too, Kenzie. Particularly in the Western suburbs. 13:16 Shout out to our WA fans. 13:18 But they… 13:20 But, you know, but they are a chance griller. And Nico's doing that. And I think all that boosting confidence, he's up on his toes at the moment. He's kicked 32 goals in a row. Did you see on the weekend, I think it was a Katoa scored right at the end there. Like he was dead set, he was about six inches inside the touchline. And he's on 32 in a row, Nico. And I thought, oh, this is great. I said to a friend of mine, I said, mate, I'd be tossing to someone else. Give it to someone else, yeah. Sammy, he's feeling a bit tight. Can you take this one? But the try was eventually disallowed anyway, so he didn't take it. 13:52 But he's on 32. The record is 35, Hazamel Masri. 13:57 He's equal second with Nathan Cleary, who did it a couple of years back. Yeah. So it's really – Yeah, so it's a chance for him to do something. And I quite liked after the game on the weekend when they said to him, are you thinking about it? And he said, look, I'm trying not to. But he said, every time I line up now, he says, I'm like, this is 27, this is 28. 14:18 So it is in his mind. And I think that's just natural. So good on him for being honest about that. 14:23 Well, the statue he pulled up. So he's just behind El Masri. So then there's Cleary. And then El Masri is fourth on the – 14:31 Helmetry's fourth, yeah, and I think Haligan's in fifth spot. 14:35 Tell a few people about Hazem El-Majri. 14:38 Well, Hazem wasn't the first choice goal kicker. Darryl Halligan, one of the all-time great goal kickers, he was the Canary's for years, was their main goal kicker. And then when he retired, Canary needed to find someone. They didn't have a goal kicker there. Hazem really wasn't a goal kicker at all. But Darryl Halligan, who now is a goal kicking coach and obviously very good, he had a look and he said, look, Hazem's probably the best at it. So he spent a lot of work with him. And Hasim El Masri, he was one of the first – Darrell Halligan, when he first arrived at North, he was one of the first that took what they were doing in rugby union and where he started to – they used to have the ball straight up. 15:19 Mm-hmm. around the corner kickers, and he started laying it just a little bit forward. 15:24 I asked him about it one day, and he said, what it does, he said, it makes the sweet spot bigger by doing it that way, so you've got more room for error. And look, let's remember, they also had two. When Daryl Halligan first started to kick, certainly at Bear Park, he used to come on with a sandboy, he'd have a big bucket of sawdust. Remember the sawdust? 15:46 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 15:46 So Bear Park had sawdust on sand and other grounds had sand. I remember poor old Mick Cronin. He used to sit there and have to kick a hole in the ground and create his own sand a lot of times because they weren't bringing it on. That's how they used to do it back then. So that's why it's all changed. 16:03 Who was the first round of the corner kicker? Ross Conlon? Johnny Gray. 16:06 Johnny Gray, right. That Norse, yeah. Yeah, okay. Yeah, he was English. So he brought that out from England. So he was the first, there might have been someone who did it before, but he was the first one that was successful and credited with doing that. 16:18 And Graham Arnold, I remember talking to him one day about it. 16:22 It's funny, actually. He went out and he was talking to Ryan Girdler. And he said to Girdler, he said, look, Penrith got him out there to help Girdler with his goal kicker. 16:36 And Arnie's watching him kick the goals, and he said, mate, why can't you just kick it between the posts? And he's just watching Gerber, and Gerber's putting one to the right and one to the left and all the rest of it. 16:45 And he said, mate, it's not as easy as you think, you know. 16:48 So Arnie grabbed the football without a mound, just put it on the ground, walked back, came in and went boom, put it through. Straight through. Right? And he said, look, it's not that hard. And the way he explained it was, he said, it's not that hard. He said, when I'm a striker for the soccer roots, he said, I'm running. 17:06 He said, it's a round ball which is swinging as it's getting kicked to me. And he said, it's coming to me as I'm running. 17:14 And he said, I have to be able to sit there and get it in position and be able to hit the ball and put it within a couple of feet of where he wants it to go, right? And that's one of the fascinating parts about this because he's right. And it's so much harder to kick a soccer ball while you're running and all the rest of it. 17:35 And he said, kicking a conversion is like a golf swing. 17:39 The ball's on a tee. 17:41 It's not moving. You walk back and you run up into the kick. It's all exactly the same. You should be able to just continue to repeat that action. And so anyway, Arnie did that with Gurds. And I think for those who want to kick goals, it was five steps back. 18:02 four to the side or four steps back, three to the side. And I said to him, he said, that's the number. Because, yeah, some guys used to do five back, two to the side and all sorts of different ways you would do your line-up. Some now come back four back, three wide, then they'll take a diagonal step back. But he said, basically, the reason you have that formula, four, three, five, four formula, is essentially because when you then come in and you kick the ball, The action of your leg is the natural action you should be taking when you kick the ball, which is why they're now hitting it much sweeter than what they used to. 18:38 Nico nailed some gems on the weekend. It wasn't all smooth sailing, so he's there. But the interesting thing is Hazem El-Majri said he's 35 in a row in 2003. 18:50 And I think it was 0-3-0-4, he kicked 31 in a row. So he nearly did it again. He nearly beat himself. I tried to find out how many kicks between the 35 and the 31 were taken and how many were missed that he could have linked them all together and had some enormous number. But either some goal kicker has them too, don't worry. 19:08 Speaking of goal kicking, did you see the Reece Walsh kick on the weekend, which was – 19:13 I think everyone saw it except two. 19:15 Yeah. 19:15 Okay? That was extraordinary, wasn't it? Except for two people. Everyone saw it except for the fans with no eyes, the linesmen. I don't know how they got that wrong. Look, it can be a little bit of a – I think one got it wrong and he went first. Now I've just panicked and went with him. 19:31 Yeah, absolutely. 19:32 So anyway, but that was – thankfully they were able to fix it. It's just something – look, I'm not too heavy on them about it because it can happen. 19:43 I did it myself once when I was 11 years old and I was running the line for the under eights of the Gossett Townies. But no, it's a bit of an optical illusion. Sometimes a ball comes through that fast. Was that under or over? Because it was a dog of a kick. 20:01 Dog, yep. 20:02 But they shouldn't have. At least they could challenge it and we can say, yeah, he got the two points for it. Did you see his face though? 20:09 Yeah, yeah, yeah. What? 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You think that's the issue? 21:11 Smart play by Manly. Look, the thing about it all, more than the – once you travel more than four hours, the sports science says, okay, that's – a little bit of a concern because that's when your body starts, it can swell on the flight with that time up in the thinner air pressure and all that sort of business. And even though they are, what are they called when the cabin is... Decompressed or... Yeah, whatever it is. But yeah, over four hours is always a little bit of a red flag for any sporting team and athlete and all the rest of it. 21:46 And there needs to be a recovery after it. So... 21:49 They've got to fly him over, play, and then fly him back, both of which raise red flags. So the safe option to get him through the rest of the season is just not send him. The thing is, Fosball's got to make a comeback soon. 22:03 Manly are in trouble now. They have to start finding some form. They have to start playing some good footy and winning some games. And Melbourne's a game, probably they wouldn't have had that marked down, playing Melbourne in Perth. It's a game they would have won at the start of the season. But certainly now it's a game that They should win and they have to win. 22:22 And we've seen the loss of Fosball for the last month, roughly. So it needs to start finding its way back into the Manly game plan again. I'm talking, you know, taking the piss a little bit because what is Fosball? But they've got to find their rhythm against the Seagulls and they've got to get back in the winner's circle and they've got to start making a statement because if they lose again this week, they're going to start losing touch. 22:47 Do you have those issues down the front of the plane with DVT? 22:51 Come on, mate. 22:53 All right, let's keep going. Max King at today's. 22:57 I've flown to the XTV. I know where we sit. 23:02 Jetstar by the toilets. 23:05 Matt King. People just go down the back of the plane and have a smoke. 23:10 Yes. 23:12 On some misguided notion that it wasn't recycled air through the plane and the people at the front of the plane wouldn't get it eventually. 23:19 And row 13 was non-smoking and row 14 was smoking. The guy used to puff in front of you and everybody else used to come down and smoke in the aisle. 23:27 Oh, the good old days. Matt King at today's press conference talked about his apprenticeship, Kenti. Thought he was the man for the job. He was ready. 23:36 I really liked the way... 23:38 He presented himself. I like the way he prepared for all the questions. 23:43 And, yeah, look, who knows if it's going to work. I'm not going to death right him. I think it's a chance. 23:51 I still have this sort of weird feeling of why one of the most important coaching jobs in rugby league was so willing to hand over to rookies, which he is. He's never been a head coach anywhere. 24:09 Now, I know he's done the training. I know he's done seven years. I think he's been there since 2018. I think it's 2017. In 2017, he got there with Robbo. And he's been there as assistant at the Roosters since then. He obviously played in the Melbourne system, so he had an idea of what that looks like. Played with Billy. That's interesting. We'll see how that goes. So that'll no doubt get a run once next year's series begins. But, yeah, he says he's... 24:39 He believes he's up for the job. He knows what the job entails. 24:43 There's no doubt this year that when Laurie was coaching the team in last year that he was entrusted with a lot of the football part of it. So he's aware of that. 24:56 The thing I do think about, though, Warren is – And again, I'm showing my age a bit here, but I remember going back to when Phil Goole was coaching New South Wales in the 90s and then the early 2000s and whatnot. Wayne Bennett was coaching Queensland. Ricky Stewart coaching New South Wales. 25:20 And even Mel, when Mel was coaching Queensland. 25:24 So little of their coaching was the footy side of it. 25:29 It was all about the... 25:33 mental part of the game understanding firstly that origin was different it's played differently and your expectations are different and from that i mean there's a big effort or a big emphasis in new south i'm sorry in origin both sides on your second efforts and once you're in a defensive line the ball passes you for instance In club football, you can then begin to get back your 10 metres. Someone else is going to make the tackle. 26:02 Origin, you've got to – no, you've got to stay in the play. 26:05 And it's just – they're all little subtle differences that aren't there in club football. And Gould became famous for what they – they started to call these bedtime stories where night before a game, he'd get the team together and he'd tell a story. 26:23 And the story – I had a big blue of good over this one day, actually. 26:31 I'd heard about the bedtime stories. I was working at the Herald at the time. So I thought, I'm gonna write some of these bedtime stories, what they are. And they're really, they're goosebump type stuff, right? 26:42 So I rang, eight or nine players who played with him at Orange and also at the Roosters where he was involved at the time. He might have been coaching still actually. Anyway, and I said, listen, I'm going to write this story. I'm going to ask you about bedtime stories. I want you to go away and I want you to think about it and I'll ring you back tomorrow. 27:03 and we'll talk about it. So the next day, cause sometimes you'd ring them straight away and they'd think, oh shit, mate, I got some, but I just, I can't think of anything. So I gave him a day to have a think about it. Anyway, I rang back the next day and it was just, it was unreal. Like, oh mate, I remember this and I remember that. Next minute the phone rings at school. He said, oh, here, you're doing a story on me. I said, yeah. And he said, well, I don't want it in the paper. 27:26 And I said, well, I'm sorry, but I said, that's not your choice, you know. 27:31 But he was a columnist at the Herald at the time. So he said, if you write the story, he said, I'm not going to write anymore at the paper. 27:41 And I said, well, look, mate, this is above my pay grade. I said, I'll talk to the boss and I'll tell him. 27:47 So I went over to the boss and I told him, I said, Gould's threatened that if I write the story, he's not going to write anymore. 27:54 And he said, well, mate, tell him to stick it up his arse. He said, mate, he doesn't decide what goes in the paper. He said, we do. And I said, look, that's not my job. 28:02 So he rang me and he just said, mate, we're not – Got to listen. We're going to run the story. It's complimentary. So it wasn't stitch up at all. It came out glowing in it. But anyway, the story ran. A couple of people who I'd spoken to rang me back. Mate, Ghoul's on a witch hunt. He's trying to find out. Mate, can you not throw my name? So I kept their names out of the story just because they were terrified because Ghoul ran it. Who's been talking and all the rest of it? Anyway, next day, story's there in the Herald. 28:35 I reckon about past 11, fax came through, I quit. 28:41 Wow. And he resigned, yeah. He resigned, and he didn't ride for about two years, and then they got him back after that. 28:46 Fair dinkum. Great story. 28:48 But they tell, mate, honestly, one, for example, this is just a quick one, but there's a stack of them. One night, they got them all on the bus. They didn't know what they were doing, where they were going. Got them all on the bus, took them to the footy stadium, took them out. 29:03 And he said, righto. He said, look, I want you to go and stand where you're going to be standing for kickoff. So they all stood there in their positions where they normally stand for kickoff. He got them to turn the lights on at the stadium, the whole lot. And he said to them, boys, tomorrow night at exactly this time, that's where you're going to be standing. 29:21 And he said, so I want you to have a think about how you're going to play the next 10 minutes this time tomorrow night. And he let them just sit there in silence for 10 minutes. 29:30 while they just sat there in their own head playing the game. Amazing. And then they just got back on the bus, went home, had some dinner and went to bed. But just things like that just sharpen up their focus. 29:44 Yeah, so there's a stack of them. 29:47 It'll be interesting if you can see if Matt King can repeat that. I think that's a big part of what his job's going to be. And I think in some ways that's probably what's been lost in Origin a little bit, that mythology. 29:59 Madge did a bit of that, though. He brought the old players back. 30:01 Madge tried very hard to do that. 30:02 You would have thought Laurie would do that, though. 30:04 Well, I think Laurie – look, I don't know if Laurie did or to what extent he did is probably more the point. 30:12 I know Billy's big on it, and that's one thing that Billy does, and Mal was very big on it. Mal was really big on borrowing from the past to remind the players of who they're playing for, who they're representing, and who they're playing against. 30:31 And, yeah, to me, mate, that's the magic of origin. That's... 30:39 That's the reason AFL origin won't work. 30:42 And that's what you can't explain in rugby league. And that's the little bit of magic dust that gets sprinkled on the game. 30:52 And... 30:53 Wally Lewis, he was a big part in creating all that because his blind hatred for New South Wales was so intense that it bled into when he was in the Australian team and to the point where they just couldn't pick him anymore because he was in the Australian team refusing to talk to New South Wales players. So it's just that's... 31:16 It doesn't make sense, but it makes all the sense in the world. 31:19 Very good. Well, Kendi, that episode went nowhere near towards what I thought we were going to talk about, but I enjoyed it nonetheless. Until tomorrow, be back and we'll try and get through all this. See you then. Bye-bye.